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Old 14th August 2017, 05:12

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could someone pls explain the relationship between unicode and fonts?

i spend half my day googling kanji (chinese characters, used in several asian langs); why can't i just find these in my character map?

used to have some asian lang S/W to streamline the process (i'm on dialup so doing online takes forever), but not sure why i even need to. doesn't each character correspond to a specific unicode #? so, again, why aren't they just sitting there for the taking in my char map?

in the meantime, i'm using pages like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_stroke_count

quicker than looking up one-by-one (plus i saved an offline copy), but again...isn't this info part and parcel of the CHAR MAP somewhere??
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You have to install the additional languages. Done via the control panel. Kanji isn't one of the default installed languages I believe.
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Even if you download a Kanji font, It will be hard to type Kanji characters on a QWERTY keyboard: the number of character runs into the 1000s. I am guessing that so many modifier keys would have to be pressed.
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well, that's just not true. most everyone in japan, china, korea, etc. does, in fact, use a QWERTY keyboard. w the exception of some very limited special uses (publishing house might have one or two), native input keyboards are quite unwieldy, and therefore, pretty rare.

i can only speak to chinese and japanese, but to input something you get the romanization in the ballpark, up pops 20 "possible" chars, you pluck one out. that's the usual method.

same as i'm doing on google, rly, x/c that it takes me 23 mins/char.....

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i thought they were by default in the last windows?

in any case, i've had them -- along w thai, russian, hebrew, greek, arabic, w/e -- since like day 1 on this PC. maybe i got as an update early on; can't recall.

point being, how to FIND them! no problem viewing on web pages (or in certain files); no problem cut/pasting to facebook etc.; no problem pretty much anywhere using them x/c FINDING them in the first place!

that said, i now see all sorts of "group by" pulldowns in the charmap, which is exactly what i wanted. but i still don't understand the relationship. pulldowns are there whether i'm set to unicode, windows: japanese, or even windows: western. so what's that setting (uni/w:jpn/w:w) setting for then?!

and when i don't "group by", why aren't they visible ANYWHERE in the char map?? group by implies to me that if i scroll far enuf, i should see a range of them somewhere in the master list! but i don't!

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For the most part, they (fonts and the displayed language) are two different things.

Fonts, are the physical shape the characters (ie: how they are displayed). You can have dozens, hundreds, thousands of fonts installed just for English.

What you are referring to above are language packs. The languages you mention above, and many others are present in Windows.

Language packs are used to change the language used by Windows for some or all of the text.

> http://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...language-packs


Unicode info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_input
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Ah Ha Ha! ugh. ugh. ugh. I got Firefox upgrades and the editor doesn't like my links... Sigh. This will be dumber than I wanted…

All the characters you see on a screen are "glyphs" (funky squiggles) mapped to Code Points. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_point

FONTS are character sets or packages that match their squiggles to the Code Points. Most Fonts are alphabetic, but there are some odd sets like WingDings & Marlet. The basic font set is now WGL-4/ Windows Glyph List-4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WGL-4), 656 chars that Microsoft basically requires. It is mostly the union of older sets (IBM) CP437, Windows CP1252, and some others. With a WGL4-compliant font set, you can make all the the characters of Europe and a BUNCH of math symbols. The fonts might be narrow, Tall, bold, serifs, BLOATED, but they generally produce our good-old-Roman & Cyrillic(!) Alphabets.

UNICODE is a 120,000 long "alphabet" of Code Points identified for characters several somebodies might want to make. That's 120K vs only 656 in std WGL4 font sets. And growing. I think it's v9 now. It recently added emojis and the good stuff in Wingdings. "Blocks" of Unicode are reserved for EVERYBODY's alphabets. Huge block for Chinese. Smaller block for Old Japanese; still smaller block for Kanji, etc. And blocks for Symbols and Emojis. In the early years, comprs were characters were 1*Byte (8*bit) = 256 chars. And now there is confusion about just how to write 100K+ characters on 6 continents and still understand each other. That's the UTF vs UUENCODE problem.

I think *NO* font set includes all Unicode characters, and each font set maker ("foundry") creates its own patented slants, sweeps, curves…

Totally Essential Key Commands to USE what Unicode can do:
All the Code Points are numbered and are properly Hexadecimal. SPACE is U&0020(h) = 0032(d). There are times when you will want either H or D address.

For *ALL* programs, you can summon any character by its Unicode number, and usually Dec is easiest. Turn NumLocks ON; hold ALT down, and type the DEC address on the *Number Pad.* ALT+0167 will make §.

In *MsWord*, ALT+x will toggle a character between "char" and Unicode *HEX* address. This is generally not useful, except… (ALT+0133=ellipsis) doing after a char lets you interrogate what it IS, in case you've got look-alike symbols, e.g. 1 or l, O or 0, and all the hyphens.
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Default CJK code blocks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CJK_characters - how to code CJK
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chines...acter_encoding -

I expect that Japan keyboards are slightly dissimilar from U.S. std (German keyboards are), and installed language packs will load up at Start to match up keys & modifiers with desired non-Roman symbols.
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i'm just confused as to where they fit in in that char map. aren't those "groupings" i described SUBSETS of same? so i should be seeing whole blocks of them in the mast list just by scrolling, no?

haven't managed to, but maybe i just keep missing them.

no matter. "group by" has saved me YEARS of wasted time since i noticed it. while i may be a bit confused about its place in the charmap, it's still a zillion times better than trying to look them up ONLINE (i'm on dialup).

gone from like 8 mins/char to 20 secs.
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TNX! I always want to nudge users in a better direction.

Um... F-!! I really think I have some some malware that frustrates my formatted msgs.
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